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Post by Hansel Kliess on Apr 11, 2009 11:59:58 GMT -5
People of America, Britian, Russia...and their allies......
We are not so different, and the people of Germany certainly did not ask for this war. Certainly the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Let us put aside these petty differences and talk of unity among our peoples.....after all, the Germans only wish to take back that which is rightfully theirs. Make no mistake. The Fatherland will take what it wants. We simply are a compassionate people, and wish to spare you any further unnecessary loss and blood shed. We are, after all, each looking toward the very same objectives, are we not? Put aside these imaginary borders and join with us. We are not so different.
We graciously will allow seven days for each of your countries to convene with its respected governing bodies to discuss this matter logically. After said time...we will continue our victorious efforts either with, or without your full support.
Field Marshal Hansel Kliess Commander; SS Germany
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Post by pickle on Apr 11, 2009 12:17:18 GMT -5
Field Marshal, I think I can speak on behalf of America when we say this. America is a country made up of free men, men who in the beginning of our country threw off the shackles of tyranny. Tyranny, being the thought of countries that other countries "rightfully belong" to colonial powers. In 1776 we told the European powers that we would not stand for tyranny, and for 168 years we have stood firm on that stance. So to you, and Germany as a whole, I offer this, return to your homes, disarm yourselves so that your armies do not exceed the Treaty of Versailles, and promise never to commit another act of invasion against a country again and we will not have to extract the same vengeance we did only 26 years ago in the First World War. America offers you one week to complete this goal or the Righteous hand of God will come down and smash your country to a thousand pieces.
Tom Buxbaum Average Citizen. America
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Post by Hansel Kliess on Apr 11, 2009 12:42:12 GMT -5
....Heir "Pickle"
You see, this is the problem at hand. We are already standing on our "Home" soil, and there is much which has been wrongfully taken from us to regain. No, our work is far from done...and that which was once dismantled ("Smashed to a thousand pieces" were your ever so delicate words I believe) has been rejoined.
The United States and her allies are the ones out of place here. The aggressors. The foreigners. Like any disease, you will be purged from the body of the Fatherland. I offer you the only chance you will receive at a dignified peace, and you answer with a bar room blabber concerning "tyranny". What do your people remember of tyranny? If you wish to learn of the high words of which you speak, I welcome you to reflect upon the very incident which you yourself recalled (WWI). Germany fought for what it stood for on the world market...fought for her interests and standing on the world stage because the world attempted to cheat her. For her efforts, Germany was locked away and shunned. We no longer will tolerate this, nor do we any longer desire to walk in the darkness, and as such choose to rise up against those who would silence us in our beliefs.
Do not be angry. Your own country has a history of much the same circumstances, or have you forgotten? Why is it that when a trainer raises a beast of burden to be strong and powerful by aggressive means, that they are surprised when the beast turns against them?
Reconsider your position in this matter. It shall be the last opportunity I offer.
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Post by pickle on Apr 11, 2009 14:28:32 GMT -5
Perhaps Field Marshal Kliess, you need to be refreshed on your history lessons. In 1914 your fatherland launched an unprovoked attack on little Belgium to attack France, in an unprovoked manner. Is that what you stand for on the world stage? Unprovoked Aggression, from what we've seen from the past 50 years, I'd have to agree. I'll be the first to stand up and say that we will not stand for naked aggression, in any form, for any reason.
And as for your argument that your only taking what rightfully belongs to you, need I remind you that France and Poland were countries long before your loose confederation of kingdoms were ever considering uniting. In what regards do you pretend to have claim over the Soviet Socialist Republics or Italy? Never before in history has the "German Empire" ever been close to either of these countries in terms of territory owned.
Now I will concede on to you the "rightful ownership" point on Austria, for the longest time they were part of your "German Confederation" and perhaps you feel some long lost sense of belonging to a fair superior country and perhaps the only way you can manifest this is by naked aggression. Alsace and Lorraine have been disputed parts of both Germany and France for before since you and I were in short pants and I agree that we must leave that dispute between Germany and France, but when you cross the line and invade countries that you have no reason for invading beyond territorial gains is appalling.
I'm sure I don't need to remind you that you reap what you sow, and he who commits aggression should prepare for aggression against them, so to your offers of a dignified peace I will remind you of the famous words of our President, Franklin Roosevelt, he once said that America was the, "Arsenal of Democracy" and we are committed to restoring democracy around the world, no matter the cost. So no, we will and must decline your offer, for war is inevitable, and the blood is on Germany's hands, may God have mercy on your country, for I'm sure the Allied powers will not.
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Post by Reaver on Apr 11, 2009 16:01:19 GMT -5
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Post by The Corndog on Apr 11, 2009 16:42:00 GMT -5
Well said Executive Officer Pickle. It seems that the Germans are at a disadvantage in a verbal debate or even at a war on their soil. We shall continue to stop this madness they are creating. The Germans seem to lack their fair share of History Majors which we possess. They do not understand why the world looks upon them as we do. They are under a control of a leader who believes that "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." Is this a belief system that we can allow to reign in our world? We must not and will not be defeated in our attempts to rid this Earth of the virus that is Nazism.
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Post by pickle on Apr 11, 2009 17:05:56 GMT -5
Thats the first time being a History Major has paid off...
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Post by Hansel Kliess on Apr 11, 2009 18:03:24 GMT -5
Well, Mr. "History Major",
If by "Unprovoked", you refer to the assassination of the leaders of OUR allied countries (Austria) by the puppets of Russia, France, and England (the Serbian government), then perhaps you would be correct. Yugoslavia was the aggressor in that conflict, my dear misguided friend. Yes, by honoring our neighbors request for help, we responded with "Naked aggression". France and Poland having impressed upon Germany their threats of backing the Serbians conveyed quite clearly the intention to act against us in a matter which never concerned them.
Yes...we took the initiative and moved against them before they could surround and isolate us (need I remind YOU that France had already placed their foot on German soil), before we openly declared war upon France. As for Russia, you should be aware of their alliance with Yugoslavia. England saw fit to interfere as well. Clearly all aggressions from the beginning were AGAINST Germany...not BY Germany.
America's brave words and acts of democracy are often, if I dare say always, fueled by their greed for capitalistic gain, so please...save your preaching and grandstanding ideals for those who know little about your own past. Germany shall not be struck down again, nor shall we live in a conquered state any longer.
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Post by pickle on Apr 11, 2009 19:17:32 GMT -5
If you feel that Serbia was the aggressor, then they were only made so by the Imperialistic greed of Austria, and their refusal to grant them their freedom. Can you honestly say that your recent wars were any different in their motives? You can't because you, like what you claim is so wrong about America, are fueled by greed. Your just as to blame as the Serbians and are just as foreign an invader in the European continent as America would be. While we may be across the seas, any people who interject themselves into the affairs of other countries uninvited are foreign invaders, the only difference between ourselves and your sham of an Empire is that we are invited by France, Poland, England, and Russia. Can you say the same? Were you invited into Poland, were you invited to bypass the Maginot line and race to Paris? Were you invited to bomb England around the clock? Were you invited to attack in Russia?
Also your "mighty Empire" is already on the way out. I feel compelled to ask how the 6th Army is enjoying Soviet prisoner of war camps at Stalingrad. How is Field Marshal Von Paulus? Enjoying his daily Vodka ration while telling Russia all of your secrets and collaborating with them, I would assume. I have to tell you from the numerous prisoners that we captured in North Africa that they are being treated well and wish you would come and join them. I'm sure that the RAF would love to send their greetings to the Luftwaffe considering how they survived and defeated them during the Battle of Britain. So how can you expect to take any offer of peace seriously when we are finally turning the tide against Germany?
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Post by Hansel Kliess on Apr 11, 2009 22:39:18 GMT -5
Now see there, we indeed are not so different, as I stated. We could continue to debate the history of WWI for many months on end, you and I. I might add that I did find it refreshing to have someone who, for once, at least knew the lies his own country taught about that history.
Let me attempt to simplify my meaning so that you Americans are able to keep up ...and to also put everything in a light which you obviously already believe in your own minds. We do not need permissions any longer, nor invitations. We will take what we want, when and where we desire it. The 6th Army sends its regards, and is in the same state of mind the rest of Germany is.....They deserve to be imprisoned for allowing the Russians to over run them. The Fatherland lost nothing of value in this sense. Be careful when you speak of collaboration and treason. There are many within your own ranks who sympathize with Germany. Some are closer to you than you know, and even now are taking measure against you. I find you to be of some intelligence, even given your lack of bloodline and political mannerisms, so I am certain you already have drawn your own apprehensions toward those you already distrust for good reason.
To war and glory then?
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Post by pickle on Apr 12, 2009 1:55:48 GMT -5
Yes to war and glory, our glory that is. And I shall toast to your arguments when, with our British allies, we link up with the Soviets, over your dead corpses. And perhaps then, we can discuss who started what or who needs permission to do something. I fear your great Aryan culture must be lacking the ability to do math, because from where I sit I see that for every one tank you produce the Soviets and us produce 20. For each soldier you have, we have 100, and for each pitiful plane you have that doesn't even fly missions, we have 200 that fly constant missions that bomb your country into submission day and night. Perhaps you should do the honorable thing and spare yourself a humiliating defeat at the "hands of non-Aryans", wouldn't want to shatter your carefully crafted human hierarchy.
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Post by Hansel Kliess on Apr 12, 2009 4:04:32 GMT -5
So....finally it comes forth. Very well, I will say the words you long to hear:
We are the "Aryan race", and one lone German soldier would be honored to face 100 of our enemies in battle. Yes, I would expect that one lone German to be victorious. That is his duty.
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Post by Evan on Apr 12, 2009 8:54:21 GMT -5
What I don't understand about the American arguement, is how they can claim to have a single leg to stand on.
Germany's annexation of Austria and the Rhineland were merely our attempts at creating a greater capability for commerce for our great nation. We also seized a few select quantities of land from the generous Polish people, and our Russian neighbors to the east for the exact same reason. Survival of the fittest is nature's way, and Germany is certainly a dominant force that needs more resources to supply our great people. This act is no different than the American, British, and French act of "establishing colonies" thousands of miles away. At least we are near our claims to properly manage them under our close watch and guard. You Americans provoked a war with Spain in 1899 for that very reason. Spain was forced to cede it entire world empire except for a few enclaves in north Africa. These colonies included Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Phillipine Islands. These had all been Spanish possessions for centuries but now became USA colonies (Cuba was technically freed shortly after the war but continued to be ruled by corrupt USA puppet dictators and USA corporations for many decades).
You claim to come to the aid of those in need for a just cause. Are not the Japanese annexing populations of people from territorial claims of yourself and your allies? Shouldn't they have more claim over said areas being geographically closer, AND their culture more closely matches that of their own? Though you may argue the Japanese military is heartless and enslaves all in their path, how different is that that your own government? Forcing people into camps to do hard physical labor. AND you're doing it to a civilian population! A bit hypocritical of you to point your finger at us!
And don't even get me started on your Russian Allies. We may have invaded them, but their cruelty towards their own people far exceed our own. Many more Russians have died in this conflict as a result of Stalin himself than of our glorious leaders. We have seperated ourselves from this travesty, and yet your Americans EMBRACE it.
Send your boys to die in the Phillipines and the Japanese islands to defend "democracy" of your iron-fisted rule over the powerless local people in your colonies. Leave Europe to us.
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Post by pickle on Apr 12, 2009 11:17:41 GMT -5
While I seriously doubt that your Aryan race is any different the the Slavs or the Jewish people, I have doubts that one German Soldier can survive 100 armed men against him, didn't Stalingrad and Leningrad, Tunisia and El Alamein, Sicily and Anzio teach you anything? And yes we have colonies, and it is wrong to hold them, I will concede that point.
I also concede that what the Russians did to Poland was also wrong and when the war is over, we will deal with that issue. The Japanese are of lesser concern, we can deal with them when the time is right.
As for your "leg to stand on issue" let me remind you of something. On December 7th 1941, we were attacked by the Japanese, and you declared war on us. Not the other way around, you started this war with us.
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Post by The Corndog on Apr 12, 2009 11:43:39 GMT -5
Annnnnnddd.......CHECK and Mate! Oops...I guess Evan screwed the pooch on that one. I mean Kliess was doing a decent job trying to get things to turn in the argument...failing, but trying.
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