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Post by jimsolo on Oct 19, 2009 13:22:29 GMT -5
First and foremost…
On behalf of the rest of Black Widow Company I would just like to say “Thanks” to SplatBrothers for hosting this scenario. Despite the problems that seemed to plague our team throughout this event we had a great time playing with everyone, and win or lose we all had fun.
The Good…
We would like to thank our General (Lady Nyxx) and XO (Frenchie) for giving us our 2nd MVT at SplatBrothers. These Ladies fought long and hard against overwhelming odds and the ferocity they showed under fire was impressive. I remember one moment in particular when Frenchie shouted “I want my **** towers back!” (or something to that effect) and her charging up the Towers Field jumping into the middle of the fight.
We would also like to thank our fellow Villain Members/Teams who kept up the good fight even though we were pushed into our own backyard multiple times. Black Wolf Core stands out not because of the countless times we got mistaken for them but because of the skill they displayed on the field and willingness to work together.
I personally enjoyed the Night Game most of all and wished it would’ve lasted alittle longer. The Trenches are always a blast as is the action (and suspense) @ the Woods /Maze area.
The Bad…
A lot of us on BWC feel some things need to be said about what we thought went wrong during this event.
As we are not really local to SplatBrothers, we hope that this is not taken simply as “Whining, Griping, Bashing” of any sort. We hold the Field, Owner, and Staff in the highest regards and only wish to provide some constructive criticism from an outsider’s point of view.
The weather sucked and obviously contributed to the condition of the paint but we also feel that weather aside we were still highly disappointed with the Field Paint’s overall performance. Even the “high” grade was heavily dimpled at times.
Someone was shooting non-field paint. We know who you are but we are not here to point fingers (You left some laying around your camp site boys). There was a noticeable lack or urgency on fixing this matter.
It was quite obvious the teams were imbalanced. No need for opinions of why. We only wanted to state our disappointment in it not being fixed properly.
We had a few other issues that we will not mention here as it will point at Team/Teams directly and Like I said before we are not here to do that.
The Ugly…
BWC will not be returning to SplatBrothers next year. Not solely on what was listed above as we were shopping for something more central to our members anyway but it was most definitely a deciding factor. We again want to stress we have no grudges and bare no ill will. We enjoyed playing with everyone and hope to see you all again in the future.
Thanks again to All,
JimSolo,
Black Widow Company
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Post by Juggernaut*BWC on Oct 19, 2009 13:50:04 GMT -5
This sort of trumped my message that I intended to post, but oh well.
My comrade JimSolo is correct - BWC will not be returning to Splat Brothers. We're not here to cause drama so if you've construed it as such, my apologies. But neither will we be party to it.
I will be frank with you all, because I respect the hell out of many of you. In addition to catching blatant cheating during the night game, one of my team members was physically assaulted by the member of this same team. You know who you are, and we won't dime you out. It's enough that you know that we know. I do not often lose my cool over a game, as anyone who knows me will attest.
For those of you that we have fought with, and fought against, please know that we hold you in the highest regard. For the field owners, I wish to thank you for the experiences that you have gifted us with. We have taken part in several games since 2007. I will always look fondly upon most of my games with you. Red Devil, Chowdah, Jett, Trapper, Bebop, Assault & Battery, SoVa, OFU, Pub Crawling, Black Wolf Core, Old Man Militia, Virginia Rush - I'd fight with you, or against you, any day. We'll look for you on the fields that we visit. HOOAH.
Respectfully,
Tim Everett
Juggernaut, Black Widow Company
Black Widow Company
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Post by chowda on Oct 19, 2009 14:27:12 GMT -5
It deeply saddens me to here this.
I speak for myself, Red Devil, Trapper and the rest of Assault & Battery when I say that we are very disappointed at this news.
We think very highly of Black Widow Company though and we hope you reconsider and attend future games here at Splatbrothers. These games would just not be the same without teams of your caliber to make them special.
Whether you decide to return or not, I hope you take your issues to the park's management team privately so they can continue to improve the games here at Splatbrothers. They really do have the best intentions and players in mind.
Assault & Battery is going to try to make a game up in New England next year. Perhaps we can share the field?
My regards to the whole team,
Mike "Chowda" Lowder
Team Captain
Assault & Battery SPT
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Post by Juggernaut*BWC on Oct 19, 2009 14:38:51 GMT -5
Assault & Battery is going to try to make a game up in New England next year. Perhaps we can share the field? That'd be awesome. Send me a PM with the particulars and I'll see who I can get to help me guard your flank. |
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Post by [BWC] Degrifter on Oct 19, 2009 21:51:37 GMT -5
Ohhh.... fighting alongside A&B? Interesting...
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Post by ROCKSTAR on Oct 19, 2009 21:55:21 GMT -5
Wow- I almost didn't come to the 2nd page of threads, and to think I'd have missed this one!
I was gone from all of the Sat night game (had to leave for work and come back Sun in the A.M.) so apparently I missed the ruckus. Hopefully your player is ok.
Regardless, I had a few AWESOME shootouts with BWC members on the field during the days. You guys play great ball, and it's a shame we may not see much of you in the future.
Perhaps, as Chowda implied, we'll see you somewhere else down the road.
Peace, gents.
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Post by [BWC] Degrifter on Oct 21, 2009 0:51:54 GMT -5
our player is fine other than being stepped on and another one of them being physically assaulted.. it's more the premise that this happened you know?
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Post by DirtDart on Oct 21, 2009 8:21:59 GMT -5
I for one am sadden by the fact that a great team will not be returning to Splatbrothers. I had many runins with you boys all over the field. They kept me on my toes all weekend.
I am also appalled to hear apart the assault and cheating.
Splatbrothers paintball has always been more about the gathering of friends and sportsmanship than the game itself to me. Thats why I love the field so much.
I do hope yall reconsider Splatbrothers in the future.
Just my 2 cents on the matter.
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Post by pickle on Oct 21, 2009 9:21:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see you guys go, BWC is one of my favorite teams, so I'll do my darnedest to get OFU on the road soon so we can see you guys. Good luck in your future games, may they always be wins and or memorable.
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Post by mntlhazrd on Oct 21, 2009 11:44:01 GMT -5
Black Widow Company,
It is rewarding for me that despite much of the shortcomings for this game that yall still had fun. It disappoints me to hear about the numerous issues yall encountered including the issues we had limited control over (such as the weather). Finally it grieves me to hear that yall have no intentions of returning and leaves me hoping that this is not the best game that Splatbrothers has ever offered you as i can assure you this was not one of our best. In response to your issues i will address each in turn:
Paint is simply that. Yes the weather was a contrinuting factor and the rest we could simply grin and bear it. The brands that were offered were Empire Bullets and Diablo Formula 13. Both brands we have used prior to this event and has proven well and as mentioned before was delivered no more than a day prior to the event. We put forth our best efforts to alleviate this issue but it persisted to be unforgiving.
Was non-field paint present at the park? Yes. Was it found bieng used on the field? Yes. Did we catch people who were using non-field paint? Yes. Another thing to add is that while people may have non-field paint in thier camping area it does not equal they are guilty of using it on the playing field. We do allow the use of it in the chrono should someone want to tech thier equipment and that is what some people did. Immediate action is taken when non-field paint is discovered on the playing field but the initial approach is non-invasive as i do not want to disrupt the flow of the game. There are more extreme measures that could be taken but then the question arises as to how far we can go before we ruin a fun time. Lastlly, as we try to lock down this issue there are still possibilities for players to get non-field paint onto the field but i will not mention them here as i do not want to give any ideas.
As mentioned no opinions need to be mentioned as to why the teams were seemingly unbalanced. This was noticed before the game began and any walk on player that came for the game was assigned to the villain side. To say there was a lack of urgency in this matter is incorrect as we exhausted every legal and ethical option we had. If you have any additional ideas on how such a situation could be corrected please share so that we may consider to utilize them for future games. On a good note for you in this matter is that you did not have to alk far from your CP to find a good fight.
The last issue to address is that of assult. I myself am appalled to hear of such a thing and with my time at Splatbrothers this is the first for me. I am hoping the one instance of bieng stepped on is simply a testament of your elite stealth skills of night play and your opposition never knew you were there. I do what i can to have referees positioned throughout the park and if a referee was not there to help keep the situation under control and prevent such an occurence i take the full blame on that. One thing that could be said is that physical assult is not tolerated and if the offender was caught they would have likely been expelled from the game/ park andpossibly go as far as bring up criminal charges.
In closing i respect i must say it is an admirable trait not wanting to rat someone out but that in itself is a double edged sword. I am not putting you down with this but offering the same courteous criticism that you offerec us to leave you with something to think about. Every player is a contributor to the paintball park they play at. Every player has the opportunity to make it better or worse. You are as much important in improving the park as the park staff are. The players are more numerous than the park staff so they are able to see and hear more. When you see cheating or a safety hazard it is important to notify the park staff as soon as possible so that it may be immediately rectified. If someone is using non-field paint and you nkow who they are then they ought to be pointed out before the paint they are using has a chance to stain someones clothing or worse yet knock someone unconcoius because its a brand they will not break. If you just been bonusballed and youre concerned that it will happen to someone else point them out. If you have just been been assulted the staf should be made aware as to who it is so that person could be dealt with. If they were bold enough to assult you who is to say they wont do it again? Worse yet is that when these issues go unchecked the next person to be affected could not only be a close friend or team mate but a family member, a first time player, or a child.
William Bowles
-Ultimate/ Head Referee for SPlatbrothers-
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Post by allibloodworth on Oct 21, 2009 13:00:39 GMT -5
I am hoping the one instance of bieng stepped on is simply a testament of your elite stealth skills of night play and your opposition never knew you were there. I will take that as a complement! ;D I am a small sneaky person.  Yes it hurt to be stepped on yes my knee and ankle is bruised but it did not stop my game play. I wish the man on the field could have been more civil and not such a big meanie head. 
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Post by Juggernaut*BWC on Oct 21, 2009 13:31:11 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I appreciate the comments, and with respect to Mr Bowles post I need to address a few points.
On the issue of paint - everything you said is correct, however that isn't a primary reason. Nor is the weather - we recognise that there are things no one can control. Frankly, a majority of my players are active duty military or military veterans which means we're accustomed to Murphy taking a bite out of plans.
It must be said that we did indeed have a good time, all things considered. BWC is based across the entire globe because we're first and foremost an online gaming community that just happens to play paintball. I had people intent on flying in from England and Canada to make the trip this year. Most of our members these days are based in Ohio, New England, Pennsylvania and Maryland. As JimSolo mentioned we had been looking for someplace more northward to plan our get-togethers, but the intent was to have one game north and one game south each year.
I was not made aware of the incident in which two of my players (not the "single incident of being stepped on") came into direct physical contact with another player, until Sunday as we were packing up. I am still working to get all the details from my teammates before I present my report to Ron & Don. In the interest of keeping things cool and keeping the incident private, I ask that people respect this fact and consider it enough to know that we will be presenting the issue to them.
Again, it must be said that BWC had a good time, weather and extremely limited incidents notwithstanding. We cherish the memories we have of Splat Brothers and we are proud to have been a part of playing Villains. Our utmost respect to those that fought honorably - it was a brutal and intense game and each and every one of us should be thankful for having had this experience.
Respectfully,
Tim Everett
Juggernaut/Black Widow Company
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Post by jimsolo on Oct 22, 2009 10:02:18 GMT -5
I just wanted to chime in on the issue of Team Balancing and clarify something. It wasnt really the fact that the sides were uneven numbers wise but the fact of team/walk-on ratios on each side were way off balance. Heroes side had most of the organized teams and Villians got the brunt of the Mercs (walk-on) force. I'm really just showing concern for everyone else on our side especially the Walk-ons. I dont want to give off the impression that BWC cant hold it down when things get bad...matter fact we dont look at it as the problem being BWC having to go against all these bad arse teams, we look at it as All the bad arse teams have to go up against us  |
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Post by Juggernaut*BWC on Oct 22, 2009 10:15:58 GMT -5
It wasnt really the fact that the sides were uneven numbers wise but the fact of team/walk-on ratios on each side were way off balance. Heroes side had most of the organized teams and Villians got the brunt of the Mercs (walk-on) force. This was largely due to the generals and their recruiting efforts. Aldva and his commanders did an excellent job of getting people to play with them before the game started. We were actually supposed to play with Aldva, but we were switched to the Villains side by Splat Brothers in an effort to help balance the teams out. |
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Post by chowda on Oct 22, 2009 14:55:14 GMT -5
....and a very honorable thing to do, it was.
You along with Pub Crawling, Social Hazard, and whomever else switched deserves a round of applause for doing the right thing.
We, the goons of A&B, commend you all!
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