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Post by VooDoo on Oct 22, 2009 10:29:20 GMT -5
Picking up a Nerf, or a pod, or radio to return it to a player who dropped it is open to interpretation....not an infraction of this magnitude. I cant believe that this even came up as an unclear rule. One simply can not put ones hands on another player, or his gear as a means of defense or offense, or for the purpose of gaining advantage during play. True barrel tagging is the ONLY defined exception to this rule, and common sense from the tagged player is in order here. If a gentle touch to the shoulder is given by the tagging player....man up and take the walk. However, due to the issue being discussed with the whole touching subject, it is written to use the barrel as a means of distancing the rules from the "touching another player" thing. Dont be a douche if someone politely taps you on the shoulder with his palm to simulate a barrel tag as long has he has the barrel and the functioning marker attached.
The GSRP are GUIDLINES. If we start holding every little thing we do to every printed word...it no longer is a game of honor among friends. It is at that point an extreme competition among strangers. Thats not the game I want to be involved in, and I see us as a sport heading in this direction more and more every day. Honor, and friendships, guys and gal's.
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Post by mntlhazrd on Oct 22, 2009 11:10:55 GMT -5
Very well said Voodoo. This rule while not officially in the GSRP rules is one we had for a while. The only reason it came up is because the question was asked in regards to this. I would like to add though that the teams who not only visit Splatbrothers but call the park their home has a high degree of honor and integrity that we have yet for the need to fanatically enforce it. Mind you there may be a time when the rule may be enforced such as when a player body checks another and try to say its equal to a barrel tag (and yes i have seen that happen before). As mentioned before this is a rule that is also carried over to walk on play and is for the purpose of covering our bases for the unpredictable. Much discretion is used for that rule and i admit i am pretty laxed with it and until i find a situation that warrants a call on it i think our family here should take this ruling with a grain of salt but it should not be forgotten.
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Post by Gravity on Oct 22, 2009 11:20:08 GMT -5
I have watched 2 guys who were good friends off the field do this exact situation. The one player blocked the barrel and barrel tagged. It was in good fun and in no way took away from the game. Both laughed and talked about it all day. People need to stop being so dang serious and realize it is a game. If I saw anyone taking it to an extreme, then of course there would be a need to step in. The reality is, that this happens infrequently. If you doubt your sneakiness, then shoot them and get on with what you were doing prior.
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Post by spudcrazy on Oct 22, 2009 11:22:46 GMT -5
I gotta chime in here just a little in response to my friend, Voodoo's comments. Dont be a douche if someone politely taps you on the shoulder with his palm to simulate a barrel tag as long has he has the barrel and the functioning marker attached. The GSRP are GUIDLINES. If we start holding every little thing we do to every printed word...it no longer is a game of honor among friends. No, the GSRP are the General Scenario RULES of Play!!!! Unfortunately it has become all too competitive. I can't tell you how many times I have exchanged shots with someone only to hear the opposing player not call himself or herself out because they say I got shot first. Is that ridiculous or what? For me, when I get hit with a paintball, I call myself out whether the other guy got hit first or not. Now I may complain if I hit the person before they got their shot off, but nevertheless, I still call myself out if for no other reason than the spirit of the game and not be a whiner. And besides, Voodoo, you're right, a LIGHT tap on the shoulder should be no big deal, but one persons light tap may be another persons hard tap. As far as safety, heck, Tater came running through the trenches at a RAW game a few years back and barrel tagged about 15 of us, while running his butt off. Even with his itchy trigger finger, he did not shoot one person through his run through and NO ONE had a problem with it. In fact, he got MFO for that single play.... Let's get real, why not just barrel tag as the RULES say? There is no mistaking getting tagged with a barrel and especially if it happens at night, the advancing player with night vision usually is able to sneak up enough that a light barrel tag should be no big deal (hence the "light" shoulder tap. This is a primary reason we don't play at night, to easy to bend the rules and too many complaints come out of night play. Read the rules and know the rules. When I generaled my game, in order to take advantage of the grey areas, I learned and stuck by the rules inside and out. There is a clear definition of the rules in the GSRP. End of my $0.02.
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Post by Hollywood on Oct 22, 2009 11:29:49 GMT -5
Like VooDoo said the rules are simple in the fact that at no time on the field is one player allowed to physically touch another player during play. That doesn't mean you cant high five your buddy but it does mean you cant grab another players marker or arm or leg in any way.
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Post by Juggernaut*BWC on Oct 22, 2009 11:31:23 GMT -5
I should hope that anyone who walks up to a player and says "Barrel tag", whether they use the barrel to make contact or not, does the right thing and calls themselves out. I've been barrel-tagged at Splat Brothers by a fast, sneaky guy over in the Maze (last year's fall scenario). He barrel-tagged several of us because he got behind us. When he barrel-tagged us, he used his hand with a friendly pat on the back. The end - he outmaneuvered, out-skilled, and out-played us. The GSRP says no contact, but none of us had a problem with it because not only did that guy just wipe my entire squad, but he wasn't a jerk about it and didn't make it seem like he was just overly aggressive.
I've seen a variety of interpretations, as well as used a few myself. Last year and the year prior for the fall 26-hr scenarios my team assaulted the towers. As we four-man stacked and entered, I shouted "Safety kill!" because that's what we use in the Army for close distances (that was more my stupidity and not thinking). The guy behind me shouted "Surrender, three-two-one." Some of the players surrendered, some didn't. Those that didn't made it clear that they were going to fight until they had a ball break on their person in spite of it being within the 20-foot engagement "guideline".
As for the statement about the GSRP being guidelines, I have to disagree. I've read the GSRP and it clearly states that some of the things written are rules. The events state that there will be adherence to the GSRP. Yeah we all know how to play the game, but let's be frank - there are instances where players cheat, and what then? Not enforce the GSRP because it's merely a guideline?
No. Referees need to know the rules, players need to know the rules, and they need to stick to them. Calling them guidelines and stating that they are open to interpretation can lead to incidents, lead to favoritism, and when you have only favorites playing because no one else wants to play, what then?
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Post by VooDoo on Oct 22, 2009 11:37:16 GMT -5
What I was getting at, Spud...was that the more we attempt to pick apart the GSRP to define every single possibility out there, or circumvent what we do have printed, the more complicated we are going to have to write the rules. Pretty soon we will have a 3000 page document full of rules and legalities if we keep going the direction we are going. We all know what is right and what is wrong. For the new people coming into the sport, we have the GSRP to give them a working knowledge of what is right and wrong before they get out there. the rest is honor, experiance, and common sense. I could write on this subject and publish a book about it, but I simply dont have the time or space for it here to completely spell it out. Of course the GSRP ARE the rules, but they cant cover everything that arises. This was the meaning I was trying to convey.
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Post by Gravity on Oct 22, 2009 11:50:53 GMT -5
On a side note. Does anyone else find it amusing that we are going in depth about rules and what not in a thread started by CornDog?
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Post by spudcrazy on Oct 22, 2009 12:01:42 GMT -5
Voodoo. Got it!!! I was just clarifying and you are right, they don't and can't cover everything, but my point was that what is, in fact, written should be adhered to. But you know we are on the same page!!!! haha. Gravity, who's-a-what's-a Corndog? LOL.
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Post by kouza on Oct 22, 2009 13:02:43 GMT -5
On a side note. Does anyone else find it amusing that we are going in depth about rules and what not in a thread started by CornDog? The one thread he made with no regard to the rules?
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Post by mntlhazrd on Oct 22, 2009 17:50:35 GMT -5
I am glad to know i was not the only one to find that amusing Joe and Kouza and on that note i feel this discussion has ran its course in this thread and request that any more post on this discussion be opened in a new thread so as we do not diminish the praise that Corndog has so graciously given to Splatbrothers.
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Post by dustey on Oct 22, 2009 19:28:58 GMT -5
... just like corndog to make a a compliment and really mean to spark up a rules debate darn you corndog DARN YOU!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lil Gimpy on Oct 23, 2009 8:16:20 GMT -5
Yea how does this always happen. haha.
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Post by pickle on Oct 23, 2009 8:45:30 GMT -5
The sad part was, he didn't even comment on the rules issue at hand!
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Post by Gravity on Oct 23, 2009 9:54:02 GMT -5
The sad part was, he didn't even comment on the rules issue at hand! That is exactly what made me chuckle.
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