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Post by Ronn on Oct 20, 2010 18:31:06 GMT -5
Slacker: what in the world are you talking about? The rules have not changed at all. Good grief dood.
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Post by Slacker on Oct 20, 2010 20:17:52 GMT -5
To quote Willow: "If you're behind an object or in a bush which a plane is walking by, and you remain motionless (showing that you are not being an aggressor), and you're able to touch any portion of the plane with your LAW--the plane is considered "barrel-tagged" and thus has been eliminated. Demo cannot advance to do so." This was stated on Sunday as well. This statement cannot be derived from the way the rules are written. If this is the way the rules are to be interpreted and enforced than the written version of the splatbrothers gsrp should be changed so that they match, because as it is written now there is nothing about 20 foot barriers or aggressors or standing motionless behind a bunker in it. Actually by that call as soon as the plane came within 20 feet of me it should have been called out. Personally I think it makes more sense to enforce the rules the way they are written. But on a different note here is an interesting idea... Since demos are not suppose to be firing at individuals and The whole point of a plane is that ground troops shouldnt fire on planes and vice versa. What if the demo could ONLY barrel tag a plane? Or if a demo on a plane could shoot the bunker another demo was hiding behind... Since the plane cannot land within 20' of a live player they cant just drop and shoot him out but it does make the planes a bit more effective again since right now they are kind of just deathtraps...
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Post by Gravity on Oct 20, 2010 21:41:08 GMT -5
Players may not follow within 20 feet of an aircraft. fol·low (fl) a. To go after in or as if in pursuitSeems fairly standard to me. Since, odds are, the plane can not even scratch the surface of the damage that a tank can inflict upon a player, there shouldn't be a need for the plane to keep itself 20 feet from another player. They just can not land within 20 feet of a live player. If however they happen to walk past you, and you barrel tag them, it's on them for allowing themselves to get that close to you. If they come up and are just out of reach. Shoot them. If they are 10 feet away. Shoot them. 15 feet. Shoot them. 19 feet. Shoot them. See a pattern? As I see it, the plane goes where it will. Ground forces don't need to move at all. Just don't approach it within 20 feet. If you happen to be there already, so be it. Their fault for getting close enough to make it easy on you.
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Post by mntlhazrd on Oct 20, 2010 22:21:20 GMT -5
wow, we are still discussing this? Slacker, after reading the GSRP in its entirety all the rules that we have in reference to planes are being enforced as written. At this time i would like to revert to my original suggestion i made on the field and say that we all should simply move on and play some paintball
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Post by Farva on Oct 20, 2010 23:15:54 GMT -5
^^^^^^^ Like
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Post by Willow on Oct 21, 2010 9:09:05 GMT -5
I do like the idea of let's just play paintball! But for the sake of calm discussion we're still here.
Planes are easy in this sport, and aren't dangerous or death traps, when properly utilized. I've never seen an issue at any other field at all. Honestly. And I've been feet away from them, and I've been on them.
During a game at Myrtle Beach earlier this year we had one land 15' away from our CP. It knew it was surrounded by base troops--quite literally. They did their job, we did ours, we shook hands and made sure nobody was injured. No need to go Flying Squirrel on them with a LAW to tag them, and no need to pop them in the face either.
First, it's a suicide mission to land a plane amidst enemy troops, that's a given. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, but the people on both sides accept that.
Second, it makes NO sense that a ground troop can run after a plane and tag it. He's not Rambo or Batman. The point of the ambush is sortof a "sudden ground strike" thing. Just like when a tank runs over a satchel or bomb-trap. Kudos to the person who ambushed the vehicle/plane.
It also makes less sense because the tag only counts if the LAW is loaded. If you have a loaded LAW, why on EARTH would you want to run after a plane? Keep out of sight as best you can and shoot the darn thing in the plane or in a leg or something. It doesn't hurt, or ruin one's chances, to let it get 20-30' away--that's called being nice. Sure, you don't have to be nice, but this is a sport where we expect to do unto others as we'd want done to us, is it not?
If you don't have a loaded LAW, the tag won't count anyhow. It's up to the Demo to be honorable, and the Pilot has the right to request to see that it's loaded (somehow, safely)--if it became a 'political issue' on the field.
I don't know about the situation which exasperated this thread, but the rule seems pretty clear--everything discussed here has been brought up before during safety briefings (perhaps not as much detail was provided in the video). I knew about it, some other Demo/Pilot folks knew about it.
Maybe there needs to be greater definition in the rules for clarity-sake, but honestly Gravity made it pretty clear. You don't follow. You either stay put for an ambush, or you position yourself for an attempted shot. If you miss, you can always try again. *shrug*
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Post by Otto on Oct 25, 2010 2:17:22 GMT -5
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Post by joker on Oct 25, 2010 15:32:57 GMT -5
^^^^
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