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Post by Coyote on Apr 23, 2009 14:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by chowda on Apr 23, 2009 14:40:19 GMT -5
If we're being specific I think that IF the megaphones are allowed (and personally I don't agree with them and never have) they shouldn't be used to direct referees such as "ref check him" "ref watch him" "he's out of bounds ref" or "ref did you see him" nor should they be used to quote rules.
If you want to use them to "play" the game then I'll begrudge you that but if you want to use them to direct/run the game............your wrong. That's not a players job.
The directors and refs jobs are hard enough. Let them do it and per the 'rules' players are only allowed to request paintchecks on themselves, not other players.
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Post by Trapper on Apr 23, 2009 15:21:03 GMT -5
Guys and Gals .. .there have been some great discussion regarding this. I personally like the suggestion of two megaphones on the field for the Generals ...
We opened discussion in regards to this because there was ONE megaphone on the field, and hearing folks come off the field we heard several teams saying ... gotta get us a couple of those ...
Multiple, Lots of Megaphones are going to create a problem. CD's is actually pretty low end to middle class. There are some high dollar units out there that you could probably hear from one side of the field to the other ... are those going to affect play, cause confusion, cause difficulty hearing referee calls? You Betcha ...
Is it banned? No ... but you see what folks are doing with the bps caps? Rate of fire is being lowered. It wasn't too much of a problem a year or two or three ago, but now everything can have a rate of fire in excess of 12 bps. So ergo, the rules get changed.
So, discussion is ensuing ... keep it up. I have seen one or two suggestions out there that I like.
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Post by spudcrazy on Apr 23, 2009 15:34:22 GMT -5
Whilst I differ with Chowda's opinion on whether or not megaphone's should be allowed (I think they SHOULD be allowed), I totally agree, they should NOT be used to call a player out or anything other than game command. If they do, it should be confiscated for that side, immediately. Funny thing though, of all the games I've played where they were allowed, NEVER have I heard anyone use it for such a thing. Personally, I would have never thought to use it for that until Chowda mentioned it (you devious mind. hehehe). I have only heard them used to bark orders and rally the troops AND to GREAT AFFECT!!!!
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Post by chowda on Apr 23, 2009 15:38:09 GMT -5
I wish I could say I thought it up Spud but that isn't the case.
It happened......
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Post by spudcrazy on Apr 23, 2009 16:44:44 GMT -5
Pitiful!!! Sorry to hear that... Oh well, go get me some fresh lobster and I'll zip my mouth!!!!. hahaha....
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Post by mntlhazrd on Apr 23, 2009 18:34:47 GMT -5
If there is a concern for having too many megaphones on the field then i could defintiely agree limiting each side to one megaphone but they are not solely limited to the general thierselves. The main stipulation to this though is that the user should not be allowed to make "referee calls" or to try and direct/ berate a referee's performance. As it has always been that if you have a problem with a particular referee you need to take it to the park manager and not escalate the problem on the field.
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Post by dylan on Apr 23, 2009 21:53:01 GMT -5
Good point William.
The fact remains that it does/has happened.
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Post by kouza on Apr 23, 2009 22:30:52 GMT -5
Who called a paint check with the megaphone?
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Post by chowda on Apr 23, 2009 22:41:03 GMT -5
If you didn't hear "Check him ref. He's hit. Get him out of there." then you weren't paying attention.......
What worries me even more than these kinds of actions is that in typical paintball fashion, and trust me Kouza I've been playing since you were born, it will create a contest of bigger better and more megaphones just like it does with everything else in this sport.
I thought we were here to play paintball
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Post by Aldva on Apr 24, 2009 15:38:54 GMT -5
Personally, I have to agree with Chowda on the majority of the issue here. I also have am not afraid to speak about what I see happening. Most of what has been discussed isnt the issue so much as what can be done and gotten away with. I personally feel that if as much effort was put into working within the rules and not around them. The level of play would be even higher than it is. Aside from that, it would be nearly impossible to shoot a gun while holding a megaphone and an umbrella or shield. That is unless we all just stop bothering to carry a gun.
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Post by DirtDart on Apr 24, 2009 16:39:38 GMT -5
Time to add my 2 cents. I personnaly believe that the megaphone Corndog used during Hellstorm added to the game. The American propaganda officer that Corndog turned out to be was very effective. From what I saw and heard he effectively played field commander at the same time. I dare some of you to walk around during an event like that without a marker or just a pistol(without a blaze orange or zebra vest on) while directing a battle. I think I took at least 2 hits meant for Corndog and the megaphone. Corndog, Pickle, and myself were directing troops saturday the whole time corndog was enticing the german line to come see him. That takes a different type of player. There is always a need for troops, but the requirement for good a commander is a must.
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Post by Sam on Apr 24, 2009 18:05:17 GMT -5
Used to direct their own troops on the field. no problem. If used to make calls that a ref should make. Thats a problem.
So let each side use one. If one side wants to use it make ref calls. take it away and call that player out and maybe punch their card.
My thoughts on the subject in my own short and sweet way.
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Post by kouza on Apr 24, 2009 23:45:04 GMT -5
Aldva I can fully understand an Umbrella not being allowed onto the field, that can easily be considered a shield, I wont argue that and, as with the shield, the rules specifically say that Shields are not allowed. If you say an umbrella is a shield, I will not argue that at all, in fact I would probably agree 100%, even if it was not intended for that purpose, an umbrella is to borderline. However, A megaphone is a different story. Sunday was partially due in part to a renewed moral from the Americans. We all had a lot of pep talk while a few of our players were being slaughtered the night before. It was decided that all players would get a good rest, and we would attempt our come back on Sunday. Well rested we entered the field ready to go but, even the best moralized troops can be slowed, and I think it is safe to say that the Megaphone not only helped troops push up, organize, or "Referee the field?" but, that it helped the Americans have fun. This is a game, yes some things that go around the rules can ruin the fun, but the Megaphone in no way interferes with any current rules. I have not heard of any player who has had a problem hearing a referee, only players having more fun enjoying the game they come to play ,and unless a true problem comes up, and we see 10, 20 , or 50 megaphones on the field, I do not feel that there is any issue. P.S: Just because O.F.U is like that I would recommend that if you ban it, you should ban "Voice Amplifiers", not "Megaphones", otherwise Corndog will find a loop hole but, I did not say that . P.S.S: I hope that made since, I try not to make these long posts because, every thing in my head blurs and, well I end up talking about 100 things. lol
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Post by Lil Gimpy on Apr 25, 2009 7:19:56 GMT -5
You know i've been reading along and staying out of it because normally i don't like confrontation but that angry little voice in my head has sprung a leak. Note that i am not angry in this post, it just needs to be thrown out there... (i'll be killed later for this)
If it hadn't been corndog would this still be an issue? (you dont have to answer this because most people would say "no it's the megaphone" because it's the only thing we can say {says the psych major in me})
On the megaphone issue, I understand we shouldn't be able to make ref calls and any calls that were made were in error. A megaphone should not be used for such purposes i suppose but isn't ironic that we use our voices for this all the time? Who has not heard a player scream at the top of their lungs "ref check him!" or "he's out!" Perhaps allowing everyone to hear it would make the small (and i do mean small) amount of dishonest players who wipe paint get their act together and straighten up.
If the resolution is only giving the generals megaphones or only allowing the generals to bring megaphones if they have them that's fine. Do it. But you know who OFU will be standing next to. (not a threat simply the truth)
In conclusion, I'd like to give you a quote you've already heard. I'm NOT saying OFU or anyone on it is batman, because non of us have a car that matches the bat-mobile or a swanky utility belt but here it is: "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" OFU does not cheat and if anyone on our team did OFU would be the first in line to whoop their butt because we hate cheating as much as the next person. If game comand/ref tells us to leave the megaphone off the field it will be so.
I love this field, these teams, and everyone involved. I have untold respect for the people i play with and against. And you deserve a good and fun game because that is what paintball is.
I look forward to the ruling on voice amplifiers.
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