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Post by Coyote on Apr 27, 2009 9:17:08 GMT -5
"Greatness courts failure"
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Post by The Corndog on Apr 27, 2009 14:28:01 GMT -5
yes Yote....and I have had a lot of both.lol
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Post by pickle on Apr 27, 2009 15:54:17 GMT -5
He always succeeds if his aim is to keep people on their toes
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Post by Sam on Apr 27, 2009 17:04:21 GMT -5
Corndog you are an amusing person. I for one always wonder what grey zone you'll find and try to exploit next. Just the more grey areas you find the more you lose as the rules are tweeked and redone all in your name. Mind you that name might not be said with a smile but at least from what I've heard it's always said with respect. Grudging respect maybe but it's still respect. I for one love hearing the stories. I find them comical, and Informative.
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Post by The Corndog on Apr 27, 2009 21:16:59 GMT -5
true that Sam...but the more rules that are changed means the more time that I have won...because if I can come up with something sooo great that "they" have to change it then that means whatever was done is great enough to affect the game!lol
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Post by goat on Apr 27, 2009 21:46:15 GMT -5
I am waiting for the day that a rule becomes lovingly known as "the Corndog rule"... that day is coming
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Post by VooDoo on Apr 28, 2009 0:45:02 GMT -5
The "Corndog" rule:
There will be NO interpretating of ANY rule which is clear cut, and easily understood by any and all readers/players/lawyers as meaning anything OTHER than that which the same rule clearly outlines and explains. Same rule shall NOT be refered to as a "Grey" area for the expressed purpose of reading aspects into the same... which may, or may not actually exist within the parameters of said rule...with intent to exploit, decieve, swindle, trap, scam, dup, take advantage of, betray, mislead, con, cheat, misinform, double cross, defraud, bamboozle, or as a matter of example...pull the "Wool" over the eye's (no pun intended...) of either Ref, Producer, Player, or field owner.
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Post by Aldva on Apr 28, 2009 8:59:30 GMT -5
Hmmm....Well stated!
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Post by VooDoo on Apr 28, 2009 10:56:51 GMT -5
^ ^ ^
...All meant in fun, C-Dog.
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Post by pickle on Apr 28, 2009 12:03:24 GMT -5
Great use of Bamboozle
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Post by Trapper on Apr 28, 2009 12:45:35 GMT -5
The "Corndog" rule: .with intent to exploit, decieve, swindle, trap, scam, dup, take advantage of, betray, mislead, con, cheat, misinform, double cross, defraud, bamboozle, or as a matter of example...pull the "Wool" over the eye's (no pun intended...) of either Ref, Producer, Player, or field owner. Ah but VooDoo, that is part of the crux of the problem. As a scenario player, I NEVER pull the wool over the eyes of the Producer. All props, costumes, personal non-paintball related equipment, and my intentions for deciept are cleared with the scenario producer in advance, which are then passed on to the Ultimate Referee with trickle down effects to the referee staff. And in short, that is why some people have a difficult time. Because they do try to pull the wool over the eyes of the referees and the scenario producer and the field owner ... Ergo, we now have to review and critique every single game and see what if any changes / alterations / ammendments may need to be made to the GSRP to keep the game fun for 200+ players, and restrict the barracks lawyers from mis-interpreting the rules in their own fashion. No Brandon, that is not so ... you haven't won anything, and in fact, everyone loses a lot because the rules have to be tightened to prevent uneven play or even unsportsmanlike play. So it becomes more and more difficult for a person to "role play" and to take the game up another level, or introduce fun props to deceive the opposing side. When Davi and I pulled the Old barrel attached to a sharpie trick, the scenario producer and the ultimate referee were apprised of our intentions BEFORE we tried it on the field and a review of the GSRP in effect at the time was conducted. So Question? Did you get approval to bring a crowd control device / possible referee tool (ie megaphone) (which is similar to a whistle or air horn) and (which are prohibited items!) on the playing field from either the Scenario Director, Ultimate Referee, or Field owner? At the bottom of the GSRP it Says THE FINAL WORD If it's unclear; If it's not covered in orientation; If it's in a "grey" area; If it's not written in the GSRP, game-specific addendums, or on a game-specific card: It Does Not Exist. Ask the Event Director First!No inquiry was made to the game director, nor to the ultimate referee that I am aware of in regards to using a crowd control / potential referee device to direct operations on the field of play by an individual player.
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Post by saywhat on Apr 28, 2009 12:54:20 GMT -5
well said.
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Lt. Dan
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Post by Lt. Dan on Apr 28, 2009 13:55:32 GMT -5
As usual das Trapper is all bullseye, nothing but cork, right on the money, correct.
Why is it some people feel the need to play the gray area? Play it straight according to the stated rules and you would have less rules.
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Post by Coyote on Apr 28, 2009 15:10:27 GMT -5
In Corndog's defense, he broke no rules bringing a megaphone on field. There is no grey area on this matter, it's simple cut and dry. Nor did he engage in 'prohibited' behavior while the megaphone was in hand.
Specifically for trapper: your inclusion of the comments:
now introduces a monsterously grey area that was not there before. It's either on the list of banned items or it's not, black and white...cut and dry... but falling on the 'similar too' approach makes thing far too foggy. I petition it is not 'similar too' a whistle or air horn, both of which are only used specifically to begin and end a game. They are universal anywhere you go. If you hear an air horn or whislte go off in the middle of a game, you'll probably stop what your doing which is it's intent. Not so with a megaphone.
Can you overstep your bounds with a megaphone?? Sure, pretty easily at that. Trying to intimidate players to get them to call themselves out (people do it all the time "Aw...come on out of there, you know your hit"), or by attempting to fool the opposition into stand down. There are plenty of ways to do it.
Communication is an important key to this game though. Some use radios, what do you do when your buddy is 30ft away from you and not on the same radio freq? Probably yell...really loud. Basically, what a megaphone does.
The only thing i will concede are some actual player saftey situations, that if Ronnicus wants to discuss we certainly can. Other than that, i don't see an issue with the use of a megaphone on field...plenty of players/teams around the country have done it in the past, are doing it now, and will continue to use them.
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Post by The Corndog on Apr 28, 2009 17:15:25 GMT -5
Thank you Yote...I was going to post something close to that...but you beat me to it.
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